TIL 568: The Supreme Court and Conversion Therapy (feat. Ed Wilde)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 18 May 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
This episode explores the landmark Supreme Court case, Chiles v. Salazar, focusing on issues of conversion therapy laws, free speech, and religious liberty. Ed Wilde, a seasoned lawyer and biblical counselor, provides expert insights into the legal and moral implications of these regulations and their impact on biblical counseling.
Supreme Court Decision on Charles v. Salazar (Full Text)
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Alliance Defending Freedom
Chapters
- (00:00:00) - Introduction to the Case and Its Importance
- (00:05:39) - Background of Charles v. Salazar
- (00:14:30) - Supreme Court Decision and Its Implications
- (00:20:25) - Future Outlook and Legal Trends for Counseling
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The Supreme Court and Conversion Therapy on this edition of Truth and Love. |
| 0:09.4 | I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, |
| 0:14.5 | where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face. |
| 0:18.3 | This week on the podcast, I'm delighted to have with me, Ed Wilde. He's |
| 0:21.8 | been a lawyer for 35 years. He's an adjunct professor of law and biblical counseling at the |
| 0:27.3 | Master's University and an affiliated lawyer with Alliance defending freedom. He's also represented |
| 0:33.1 | ACBC in several amicus briefs before the Supreme Court. And that's exactly what we're wanting to talk about today. Ed, so grateful that you're with us on the podcast. And thank for your work here and look forward to talking about this really important case. Well, thank you very much. I'm happy to talk about it. Ed, what I want to do is I want us to talk about the Childs versus Salazar. So many people |
| 0:55.1 | may say, what in the world is that it is an important case? I think it has potential to be |
| 1:00.5 | monumental in some ways, but I'm interested to hear your perspective. So before we jump into the case |
| 1:07.9 | and our assessment of what came down in the Supreme Court decision, what I would |
| 1:12.8 | love for you to do is to kind of catch us up on the background of this particular case, which |
| 1:17.6 | deals with the issue of conversion therapy, same-sex orientation, the sexual orientation change |
| 1:24.0 | effort laws that we see in states and many municipalities. And so that all came to |
| 1:29.5 | ahead in a Supreme Court case. And I want you to give us a little background on this case, |
| 1:34.8 | Charles v. Salazar. What happened in Charles v. Salazar is Ms. Childs is a Christian |
| 1:41.8 | in the state of Colorado with a license to be a clinical therapist. |
| 1:49.5 | The state of Colorado, like a number of states, had enacted a law which stated that if someone |
| 1:57.5 | under the age of 18 came to see their therapist, and let's say a young man comes to see the therapist and says, I'm sexually attracted to other men. |
| 2:09.8 | I don't like this feeling. Will you help me no longer be sexually attracted to another man or help me to even break, you know, get over |
| 2:19.6 | a relationship I had with somebody. |
| 2:22.0 | I'm crushed because I had this close relationship with another man. |
| 2:25.6 | Can you help me get over it? |
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