TIL 563: Is There Neutral Ground in Counseling (feat. Keith Evans)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 627 Ratings
🗓️ 13 April 2026
⏱️ 19 minutes
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Summary
1. What is at stake when considering what we use in counseling?
2. How do we understand the idea of neutral observation?
3. Is it a dangerous perspective to simply take insight but leave the worldview?
4. What is the difference between supplication and integration?
5. What warning do you want people to hear regarding current CIBC movement in biblical counseling?
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| 0:00.0 | Is there neutral ground in counseling on this edition of Truth and Love? |
| 0:11.9 | I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, |
| 0:17.5 | where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face. |
| 0:22.4 | This week on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Keith Evans. |
| 0:25.3 | He's associate professor of Christian counseling at the Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina. |
| 0:30.9 | He also serves as one of our board members here at ACBC. |
| 0:34.4 | He's married to Melissa, and they have four daughters. |
| 0:36.7 | He earned his PhD in Biblical |
| 0:38.2 | counseling at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. Keith, always, |
| 0:43.3 | is good to be with you and looking forward to this topic today. Looking forward to it as well, |
| 0:47.2 | Dale. Thank you. Now, we're talking about this concept of neutral ground, and a lot of people |
| 0:52.5 | are debating this concept now. How do we think about |
| 0:54.5 | extra biblical material? Is it really neutral? Is it untainted from secular sources? How do we think |
| 1:00.9 | about utilizing those types of things in the counseling room? Are we starting at a neutral base? |
| 1:05.7 | All these kinds of things are thrown around. And what I want to do, and we talk about this, |
| 1:10.4 | and these are necessary conversations, even at a more to do, and we talk about this, and these are necessary |
| 1:11.3 | conversations, even at a more academic level. Some people get disillusioned by those. I understand |
| 1:16.5 | that because, like, what does that really matter on the ground in counseling? And that's kind of |
| 1:21.0 | where I want to bring this today, is to show what are the actual consequences of thinking |
| 1:26.5 | about neutral ground in counseling and neutral material |
| 1:29.8 | and the quote-unquote plundering the Egyptians concept, how we think about that and how it affects |
| 1:36.0 | actual counseling in the counseling room? |
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