TIL 562: Is the Clinically Informed Biblical Counseling the Third Generation (feat. Ernie Baker)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 627 Ratings
🗓️ 6 April 2026
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Summary
1. Help us understand the claim of CIBC being the third generation.
2. What is the tone in which you want to address this question?
3. What are things David Powlison did to help you in addressing topics like this?
4. What are the distinctives you are seeing within CIBC?
5. What are your concerns with CIBC and how are you evaluating their approach?
6. What is the difference of epistomology in CIBC counseling?
7. What should the next generation of biblical counselors look like?
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| 0:00.0 | is the clinically informed biblical counseling the third generation on this edition of |
| 0:04.9 | Truth and Love. |
| 0:13.0 | I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association |
| 0:16.5 | of Certified Biblical Counselors where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems |
| 0:20.5 | that people face. This week on the podcast, I'm delighted to have with me, Dr. Ernie Baker. He's professor |
| 0:26.7 | of biblical counseling at the Master's University. He's also the editor of critical issues in biblical |
| 0:32.6 | counseling, a series that came out with Shepard's Press. He's also the director of training with biblical |
| 0:38.7 | counseling ministries worldwide. He's married to his wife Rose. They have six kids and 14 grandkids. |
| 0:45.7 | Ernie, it's always fun to talk with you, brother. Looking forward to having this conversation today |
| 0:50.1 | about clinically informed biblical counseling. And so thank you for being here with me today. |
| 0:54.7 | Thank you, Dale. I always enjoy talking with you. Now, this is going to be fun for us to talk about |
| 0:59.6 | at our recent annual conference. You gave a seminar talking about clinically informed biblical counseling. |
| 1:05.6 | And, you know, there are claims that they're the third generation of biblical counseling. |
| 1:09.7 | And I think it's appropriate for us to |
| 1:11.6 | not incite conversation here, but to have conversation about what those claims are, how we think |
| 1:18.3 | about these things. There may be differences of opinion and those differences of opinion are okay, |
| 1:23.1 | but it's good for us to talk about that. And so I wanted to bring you on to talk about |
| 1:26.6 | clinically informed biblical counseling, |
| 1:28.2 | this idea about them being a third generation of biblical counseling, right? |
| 1:32.8 | So we've been around for 50 plus years from CCF's beginning in 1968 to Nanks beginning, |
| 1:40.1 | now ACBC, in 1976. |
| 1:43.0 | So the movement has been underway for quite some time, first generation, |
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