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Truth in Love

TIL 553: Complex Cases (feat. Jacob Elwart)

Truth in Love

Association of Certified Biblical Counselors

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8628 Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

1. How do we approach complex cases regarding methodology?

2. Why is it important to have clarity and simplicity in counseling?

3. How do we get from something complex to something specific to address?

4. What are some particular things you do to break down a complex case to more managable pieces? 

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0:00.0

Complex Cases on this edition of Truth and Love.

0:10.2

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

0:15.3

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

0:19.5

This week on the podcast, I'm thrilled to have with me, Dr. Jacob Elwood.

0:22.9

He's the pastor of discipleship ministries at inner city Baptist Church in Allen Park, Michigan.

0:27.6

He also serves as assistant professor of biblical counseling at Detroit Baptist Theological

0:32.0

Seminary.

0:32.6

He's a fellow with ACBC and a board member as well.

0:35.9

He and his wife, Jennifer, have three children and one grandchild.

0:39.2

Jacob, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Now, today, complex cases, sometimes we call those hard cases.

0:44.4

These are the difficult things where you see the messiness of lives in a fallen world. Then there

0:50.8

can be some really, really difficult cases, some very, very troublesome cases.

0:54.9

People have had difficult lives. Sometimes their sin added to it has made their life more difficult.

0:59.8

So we want to talk a little bit about methodology here. So help us to think a little bit about

1:04.3

counseling methodology. How do we approach something like this that would work for complex type

1:10.2

cases? Yeah, this is an important topic because we're all going to come to these cases that are like this, that would work for complex type cases.

1:14.8

Yeah, this is an important topic because we're all going to come to these cases that are more complex than we expected.

1:17.2

And as we start to unpack them, we find out that maybe they're deeper than what we

1:22.1

were anticipating.

1:23.5

So one thing that's helped to me is David Paulson has a statement, a bit of Bible for a bit of life.

1:29.6

Another way to say that is a little bit of truth for a little bit of life.

1:33.5

And I love that because we still want to speak truth to the person in the midst of their complex situation.

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