TIL 544: ACBC Mailbag - Secular Therapy? (feat. Sam Stephens & Francine Tan)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
1. How do we approach someone who is involved in secular therapy?
2. Questions to ask in an initial conversation.
3. How to approach the conversation in a winsome and intentional way.
4. How to refraim the conversation towards hope in Jesus and His Word.
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| 0:00.0 | A CBC Mailbag on this edition of Truth and Love. |
| 0:10.5 | I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, |
| 0:15.7 | where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face. |
| 0:20.7 | This week on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Sam Stevens and Dr. Francine Tan, they're going to |
| 0:26.0 | help me answer some questions from our listeners. And I'm so excited about these episodes and the |
| 0:32.2 | ways we get to engage with so many of our listeners. It's so helpful to know that you're listening, paying attention, |
| 0:38.3 | that it's stimulating, you're thinking, that you have follow-up questions, you're willing |
| 0:42.1 | to ask those, and we want to engage some of those today. |
| 0:45.9 | I want to start with this one, guys, as we think about a very real scenario. |
| 0:51.3 | And this happens all the time. And so I think this is a great question, and it's not |
| 0:56.8 | a hypothetical situation. The listener is asking for us to give them some talking points for a |
| 1:02.7 | very particular situation, a family member that announces that they are involved in secular |
| 1:09.4 | therapy. And this secular therapy, they want to know what is |
| 1:13.5 | an appropriate response for a biblical counselor when this happens. And I can see this happening |
| 1:18.8 | at Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas dinner or Sunday afternoon dinner or in the foyer at church |
| 1:25.1 | or lots of different places that I know I've experienced this same thing. |
| 1:28.8 | So let's throw that question out there. |
| 1:31.0 | A family member is now engaged in secular therapy. |
| 1:34.6 | They're openly talking about this to their family. |
| 1:37.9 | And what's a proper response? |
| 1:40.6 | Where do we start? |
| 1:41.3 | What are some good talking points? |
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