Teaching counsellees to study scripture on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

I'm excited to have with me today, Lucas Pace. He's the associate pastor of Compass Bible Church

in Aliso Viejo, California. He's the director of Compass Counseling Center, which is an

ACBC certified training center. He's a professor of biblical counseling at

Compass Bible Institute. Masters in New Testament from Talbot Seminary. He has a doctorate in

educational ministry from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and he's married to his

wife, Heather, and the father of six children. Brother, I'm so grateful to have you here on the podcast.

Grateful for your work there at Compass Bible in Orange County. So thanks for joining us today on the

podcast. It's great to be here. Now, I'm excited about this as we think about teaching

counselors to study scripture. What an important thing it is. I remember hearing in my missions

classes, you don't want to just catch fish

for people and feed it to them. You want to teach them how to fish. That's that concept adapted,

really, in the counseling room. So I want you to start off by just explaining some particular

reasons that scripture gives that should motivate us to study God's word. Yeah, it's a great question.

A great analogy to, you know, don't just give them the fish, but teach them how to fish.

I think the problem is when a lot of counselorsies are coming in, they don't even have a desire

to fish. I mean, I've been counseling since 2005, and just from my observation, the vast majority of

counselorsies who come in do not study God's word.

You ask them, how often have you been reading the Bible this last week?

They might say once or twice.

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