Counseling, unteachable counselorses on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, Omri Miles. He's a pastor of Grace Bible Church in

Tempe, Arizona. He's an aspiring church planter to New Orleans. Lord willing, that will happen

in October of 2023. He holds a Master of Arts degree in Biblical Counseling from

the Master's University and a Master of Divinity degree from the Expositor's Seminary. He currently

serves as a director of one of our certified training centers, biblical counseling of the East

Valley. He lives in Phoenix with his wife, Emily, and their five children. Brother, so grateful

to have you back on the podcast and to talk about this very curious

topic, right, of counseling, unteachable counselorsies. So thanks for joining me. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Now, all of us, to some degree, have dealt with this issue. You're dealing with someone who is maybe

obstinate, maybe not. Maybe they come and they've been psychologized and they just enjoy talk therapy and they just want to talk all the time.

And what we start to sense as a counselor is maybe they're not very teachable.

We're giving them homework.

Maybe they're not wanting to do homework.

We're giving them other things to do.

And they're just not wanting to see things a little bit differently.

All of us have experienced this if you've been doing it very long.

So talk just for a second, Omri, about why the subject is important to you and why do we need

to address it. Well, over the years, I've had personal relationships with family or friends,

roommates in my single days. When this has been the preeminent issue is an unwillingness to receive instruction.

...