self-confrontation on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson. You're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I'm delighted to have a new guest with me, Dr. Jacob Elwert.

He's been a fellow with ACBC since the beginning of 2022.

He's the pastor of discipleship ministries at Intercity Baptist Church in Allen Park, Michigan.

And he is an assistant professor of biblical counseling at Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.

He and his wife, Jennifer, have been married for over 23 years, and they have three children.

Intercity launched a counseling center this past spring where Jacob serves as the director.

And I'm so grateful for Jacob and the work that he's doing up in the Detroit area and not

just at inner city, but also at Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.

Brother, I'm so glad that you're with us today.

And welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me.

Well, listen, as we talk about self-confrontation, this is important for us as counselors,

but it's also important that we help our councilees work through self-confrontation. Just talk a little bit about what we mean when we use this term self-confrontation. I think it's difficult for us to be able to help somebody along in this process of change. Ultimately, we can't change for them.

So we're actually teaching them to confront themselves, to take principles from scripture,

to be able to see what's going on in their own hearts. And so we're doing this in the form of

questions, trying to dig down to the heart, and ultimately showing them where they are not matching up to what the

scriptures call them to do. I love that. It's a lot like what missionaries used to say was a part of

their work is instead of catching fish for people and just feeding them, yes, because they need to be

fed. They teach people how to catch fish themselves. And essentially, that's a part of what we're doing

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