Teaching counsellees to pray biblically on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love,

a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, one of my dear friends, Brian Gaines.

He was one of my pastors when I lived in Texas, and he served at Grace Community Church in

Glen Rose, Texas for 19 years as pastor of leadership and discipleship.

In 2008, he started Grace Biblical Counseling,

and he's a regular speaker and contributor to the cbcd.org. He's married to his wonderful wife,

Laura, now for 23 years. They have four children, ages 4 to 17. And when not engaged in the

ministry, he enjoys music, hunting, and mountain biking with his family.

Brian, listen, I'm so grateful that you're here talking about this really important subject of

teaching our counselorsies how to pray. So thank you for being here with us.

It's a pleasure to be here, Del.

Now, as we get started talking about this issue of helping our councilies learn to pray, learn to pray in a certain way, learn to pray biblically.

Help our listeners understand. You did a workshop recently at our annual conference on this subject.

Help our listeners understand how this workshop teaching counselors to pray biblically relates directly to being biblical in the way that we

counsel. Yeah, I think John Bunyan may have summarized that pretty well for us. He said,

you can do more than pray after you have prayed, but you cannot do more than pray until you

have prayed. So as we're working with others, prayer is just

absolutely essential. It's vital. It needs to start off what we do depending upon the Lord,

as well as as to the process of the counseling and following up with the counseling.

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