Counseling Idleness on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Today on the podcast, I have with me, Pastor Keith Christensen.

I'm so grateful for this brother and his work.

And one of our training centers down in Texas, Fort Worth, Texas, Center for Biblical

Counseling and Discipleship, a thriving training center down in that area.

He is the preaching pastor of Christ Fellowship

Bible Church, recent church plant there in the Northwest Fort Worth area. Keith's a certified

ACBC counselor's been involved in training biblical counselors since 2016. And Keith and his wife have

five children. Keith, listen, I'm really glad to have you on today talking

about this subject that maybe some people don't think about a lot, but this issue of being idle.

So, brother, thank you for being with us today.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Now, I want to get into this, and I want to make sure that our listeners understand because

they're seeing this. We see this certainly in, that our listeners understand because they're seeing this.

We see this certainly in, if we want to talk about manhood, particularly in the way it's talked

about today, an idleness of people and it being a problem. You can see this in a lot of different

areas, I think, and sometimes you're seeing it pop up in the counseling room, as I'm sure a lot of our

counselors are. I want you to first, let's define what in the world are we talking about here

with this issue of idleness. Yeah, what I mean in the sense of needing to counsel idleness is the

kind of thing that the Apostle Paul was addressing in Second Thessalonians three also in first Thessalonians but second Thessalonians three

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