Embracing Grief on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I have a dear friend of mine with me,

served in ministry with him at Southwestern Seminary for quite some time.

Dr. John Babler taught biblical counseling and other related biblical courses,

pastoral theology courses for over 30 years at the seminary level. He's now

currently teaching at Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary, growing their biblical counseling

program. I'm thankful for his work there, the enduring work. He's been a pastor, served as a pastor

on staff. He's also worked as a fire chaplain and a police chaplain as well. He's seen the beauty of

biblical counseling and its effectiveness in lots of different scenarios, even really large-scale

crises events that have happened around the country in most of our lifetimes. I'm so grateful for

this brother. I wanted him to talk about this issue of grief. Sometimes it's an enigma to us.

We're not sure how to think about it. A lot of us are facing issues of grief, and this is something

that's ongoing. I mean, the Bible talks about it's appointed under man, wants to die, and then the

judgment. We all are around death and dying as much as we might try to avoid it. And it's not a bad

thing that we would,

we would learn to deal with what reality is in the world in which we live. And so Dr. Babler,

first of all, I'm grateful for you being here. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for the

opportunity. And then second, what I want to do is ask you a few questions as it relates to

grief. Now, the idea of

embracing grief might be, you know, a little bit of a confusing thought. However, I think it's a part

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