God-like listening on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

And what a joy it is for me to have this week on the podcast, Dr. Robert Jones,

who's professor of biblical counseling at the Southern Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

He's an author that many of you are familiar with.

He's written a recent book with Rob Green and Kristen Kellam that's just released

called The Gospel for Disordered Lives, an introduction to Christ-centered counseling.

Dr. Jones, it's so great to have you here with me and to talk about this important subject

of listening and listening in a godlike way. Thank you, brother, for joining me.

Glad to be here. Now, this topic of listening

is certainly familiar with counselors of all stripes in all spaces. It's a topic that we speak

about quite a bit. And it's interesting to me, particularly for biblical counselors, we love to talk

about this idea of listening. And as a season counselor, it's interesting to me that you've revisited this idea.

We talk about it a lot.

But you're focusing us in a direction of God-like listening.

I love that direction.

It tunes our ears in a different way.

I want to ask you a couple of questions about this as we explore a topic

that you've taught about. So what led you to address this particular topic of listening in counseling?

You know, years ago, Dale, I was a young pastor and I did this massive study about listening.

I looked up every verse in scripture with a computer help to talk

about ears and hear and listen and those kinds of words. And I was just amazed at how much the

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