shepherding from the pulpit on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

Once again, on the podcast, I am delighted to have Pastor Rick Holland here with us. He's a pastor

of Mission Road Bible Church in Prairie Village, Kansas. He is married to Kim Holland for 26 years.

Praise the Lord for that. We love, Summer and I love getting to know Rick and Kim,

and we've been blessed certainly by their ministry. At Mission Road, he's been there for a little over 10 years,

and man, just excited to see some of the things that the Lord is doing. And we get an upfront seat, a front row seat, if you will,

to watch what the Lord is doing among this congregation.

It's a fun thing. And as my own personal pastor, we're not talking about hypothetical things here.

It's fun to watch how he and the other elders do this very thing that we're talking about today,

shepherding from the pulpit. So Rick, what I want to do if we can is sort of transition

into talking about this issue. And it can be a delicate thing. I see so much with some

younger guys where either there's not a lot of tact, honestly, from the pulpit, or there's

just a fear to talk about some issues right from the pulpit.

But I want you to just talk for a second.

How do you, as the main preaching pastor, sort of process and think through good ways

to shepherd the congregation that you serve through preaching and through your ministry in the

pulpit?

Well, it's a great question.

Thank you, Dale.

We love having you and your family involved in our church.

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