Engaging Your Child's Heart, Part 2, on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems

that people face. And this week, just like last, I have with me our director of training center

certification, Dr. Sam Stevens. Sam, I'm always delighted to sit and have conversations with you.

This week, I want us to continue some of the thoughts we have

from last week on engaging our child's heart. And we talked about that certainly last week

from a conceptual standpoint. I want us to move more into some practical things. And these are

not gold standards. These are not legalistic things that we're going to throw out. These are

points of wisdom.

We hope, things that you and I have tried personally, where we've seen good growth in our children,

where we've been aiming at the things that we believe God has given us in the scripture to talk

with our children about, to teach them, to train them, and so on. We have learned these from other people. So these are not

things that you and I in our own personal wisdom just thought of or came up with. But it's been a

conglomeration of hearing people teach the word on some of these things and us working some of that

out in the context of our own family. And I want to encourage our counselors when you're engaging

parents and when you're engaging children in the counseling room, I think always, first of all,

incorporate the work of the parents because biblically speaking, that child's authority is the

parents. And so we can't separate the work that we do with children

from the context biblically of their parents. The child is certainly influenced to a great degree

based on God's design by the authority of the parents in their home for good, sometimes, or ill. And so we need to

incorporate the work of the parents. And I think some of the things that we're going to talk

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