engaging reluctant counselorses on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth in Love,

a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions

for the problems that people face.

Joining me this week on the podcast is Rush Witt, one of the pastors at Paramount Church, a church

plant in Bexley, Ohio.

He's also the acquisitions editor over the counseling department at PNR. He's been

certified at ACBC for quite some time, and he's actually right now in the process of

becoming a fellow with our organization as well. So Rush, we're so grateful that you're here

and you're here to talk about this topic today.

Thanks, Dale.

I'm glad to be with you.

So, Rush, you being a pastor up in Ohio and your church does counseling ministry, not just to people in the church, but you also offer counseling in the surrounding communities.

And what a great way to think about missions and reaching your community and caring for your community. But in the process of doing that, I am certain that

you see a wide variety of councilees, some that may want to come, some that are pushed to come

to counseling. How do you guys deal with a variety of the different types of

councilees that you get in the office? Well, that really is a great question. Within our church,

we have found biblical counseling to be one of the most helpful tools in ministering not only

to our immediate church congregation, but also to our local community.

And it gives us an opportunity, of course, to minister the gospel to the lives of many

different kinds of people. And it does so by giving us a real entry gate into their lives,

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