encouragement from counseling failure on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association

of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I've invited Sean Perron back again to follow up on some more of your questions,

particularly as they pertain to personal questions about my own counseling experience.

Some of you have reached out, as we've been answering your questions about my own counseling experience. Some of you have reached out as we've been answering your questions about counseling and wanted to know some personal stories about how

counseling succeeded or how counseling failed. We talked about that some on the podcast last week,

and Sean, you're back to help us talk about it again this week. So we mentioned at the very end of the podcast last time,

your book that you edited with Dr. Stewart Scott,

counseling the hard cases, true stories,

illustrating the sufficiency of God's resources in Scripture.

And in that book, which I think is a very helpful book,

I just found it interesting that all of the stories end well.

So all of the counseling cases, the counselorses receive help and they're changed, and it's a

beautiful story of God's grace through the scripture. Are there any stories that that's not the

case where the counseling ended poorly or they did not change.

And I'd love to hear some personal stories about that.

No, that is, it's a great question.

Actually, there's a story attached to that because when Stewart and now we're working on the book,

one of the things that we talked about is, should we have some stories of

counseling failure in the book? So we actually talked about this long and hard because we actually

didn't want to communicate that when you do biblical counseling, the sun sets, the guy gets the girl, the credits roll,

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