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TikTok Dirty To Me

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4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2023

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

A social media app is causing a bipartisan furor in U.S. politics, and it’s the one where young people make funny dance videos. Because TikTok is owned by the China-based company Bytedance, Congress is concerned the platform is more of an espionage front than an entertainment medium. TikTok at least theoretically allows China to collect private data from Americans, sow division in U.S. society for geopolitical gain and even inundate U.S. users with propaganda to influence our elections. On the other hand, it isn’t hard to think of reasons why banning TikTok might be a bad idea. Are we just cowering to anti-China demagogues? What are the implications for free speech? And what are the political costs of banning an app that tons of Americans, particularly young Americans, love? Add it all up, and it’s hard to figure out the least-bad option. Data-privacy specialist Julian Sanchez joins host Brian Beutler to stress test the pros and cons of banning TikTok, and add nuance to what looks like a stark choice between either flooding our society with more anti-democracy propaganda or engaging in the kind of censorship we’d normally decry if another country did it.

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0:00.0

A quick programming note for listeners, while we were finalizing this episode,

0:04.0

a New York City grand jury returned a sealed felony indictment of our disgraced former president,

0:10.0

Donald Trump. And we'll be covering that story for you next week.

0:30.9

I feel a little bit bad advocating for TikTok because I know there's problems with it

0:35.8

psychologically, with like dopamine and how it affects your brain. But honestly,

0:40.4

I just think it's incredibly ironic that the US wants to crack down on TikTok

0:44.9

an international company that's stealing our data and yet they'll let so many domestic

0:49.5

companies like Facebook steal our data at the same time.

0:52.7

Hello and welcome to Positively Dreadful with me, your host Brian Boyler.

0:57.0

I'm going to age myself a bit here. In fact, I think this is probably a decent way to ballpark

1:02.5

a lot of people who are about my age. I don't have a TikTok account and I probably never will,

1:08.9

or at least not one that I'd use for any of the apps intended purposes.

1:13.1

My team and I actually discussed whether I should create one for myself before we recorded

1:16.6

this episode for research purposes, but I kept not doing it and then just chose to read about

1:22.9

how TikTok works instead. But I've seen tons of TikTok videos because I do have a totally

1:29.7

unremarkable Instagram account and some of the people I follow there repost TikTok videos

1:35.2

to their stories, which means my sense of what TikTok has to offer is highly filtered,

1:41.1

highly curated by people who I know and trust to some degree or other.

1:45.8

So if you're in my demographic, too old to have a TikTok account, but not old enough to find

1:51.0

Instagram totally befuddling, you may not fully appreciate the fewer TikTok has created in U.S.

1:57.9

politics. TikTok is the spy in American's pockets. Your company continues to feed our children

2:04.0

the dangerous and harmful content. Quite frankly, your testimony has raised more questions for me than

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