Why did no one tell us that to die is to be reincarnated in those we love while they're still alive?

Poet Andrea Gibson, who died this summer, wrote those words. Tignitaro was there when

Andrea Gibson died, and we'll talk to her about what she witnessed and how it's made TIG rethink her own life.

That's coming up on this episode of All There Is.

This past week, I interviewed two people who also witnessed the deaths of their loved ones.

Susan Heim's son, Charlie, died at 17. He died in her arms this summer around the same time Andrea Gibson died. Susan had cared for

Charlie his whole life. He had Down syndrome and cerebral palsy. Joe Sims cared for his son Jacob for 33 years.

He also had special needs. Jacob died six years ago, and I want to play you some of what Joe said

on All There Is Live, the companion show to this podcast.

One of the things that Jacob loved to do was go on road trips. He loved nature. He loved being

outside. He loved, I love putting his feet in a creek and let him feel the cool water.

And I even took him nearby one of the waterfalls and he felt the mist of the water.

I think that was his best time when he was doing that.

Even though he lived to only 33, he had a full life.

And then it ends.

And you don't know what you're supposed to do.

You lose yourself because your whole identity is wrapped around his every moment.

And you hit the wall.

And then he passed away on a Tuesday,

and my wife and I were lost on Wednesday.

We wandered around for months,

trying to figure out our life without him.

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