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I really like to think deeply about the conditions that we find ourselves in every day.

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to think more broadly. Hope you enjoy. She is New York Times bestselling author of Get Good with Money and Made Whole, which if you

were at Healthy, wealthy Wives, you got a copy of it and signed too because she was out

there signing books.

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I make sure it was over my right next to Malcolm because it's all about liberation.

Tiffany, the budgetista, Alicia.

Hello. Karen, how are you? I am awesome. So we were talking a little bit off, Mike. You were listening. I was telling you about how I, you know, I'm very goal-oriented, and I have, like, these goals that I do before the new year, and then I have a whiteboard, and I blackboard and I do all of this stuff and you know I was telling you I got to a milestone and I

thought I was supposed to feel something and it was nothing and it was like okay I'm here so and what

next what now and I realized in that moment that it's not about a number on a page,

it's about your life and what you're doing with it. And it just shifted everything. So I stopped.

Stop tracking. Stop. None of that matters anymore. Am I doing good? Am I putting seeds in the

soil that will be here after my eyes are closed? And that's not money. Yeah. I mean,

certainly money can help you make that more achievable, like by donating and creating access for

people. And, you know, I, there is a universal shift I've seen in all my friends who have their

own businesses and things who have you know have grown a certain level

of success and they just knew it was going to bring some sort of like I've arrived and we've

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