Through the Looking Glass with Mike Doran, An Update
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 13 October 2018
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
Back in January, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mike Doran—a foreign policy and Middle East specialist who served in the George W. Bush White House, State Department, and Pentagon, and is a former Brookings colleague—to discuss his support of President Trump and dismissal of the Trump-Russia allegations and the investigation of L’Affaire Russe. At the end of that conversation, Ben and Mike said they would check in again in a few months to see who was right.
Earlier this week, the two sat down over Scotch to talk through Doran’s views on—among other things—the Mueller investigation, the Steele dossier, Carter Page’s FISA warrant, and the congressional investigations into L’Affaire Russe. It’s safe to say that their views have not converged, and Doran’s view of the world differs from the standard fare on Lawfare. Hang onto your hats, folks, this one’s a wild ride.
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| 0:30.0 | This was a counterintelligence investigation, |
| 0:36.0 | which miraculously morphed under Mueller into a criminal investigation. |
| 0:42.0 | A criminal investigation of what? |
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| 0:50.0 | You have to say, before you have an investigation of somebody, |
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| 1:14.0 | October 13, 2018. |
| 1:17.0 | Back in January, I sat down with my friend Mike Duran, |
| 1:21.0 | a foreign policy and Middle East specialist who served in the George W. Bush White House, |
| 1:26.0 | State Department, and Pentagon, and his a former Brookings colleague, |
| 1:30.0 | to discuss his surprising to all of his friends, |
| 1:34.0 | support of President Trump and dismissal of the Trump Russia allegations |
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