Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jameeda Jamil, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well. I'm actually all right and I'm very excited about today's episode because I

have one of my favourite humans, Travis Alabanza, on the pod teaching me so much with the most

beautiful tones and patience in their voice. I love Travis. I've learned so much from them since

our first ever time meeting in which I just walked away from this, I think it was like a zoom

chat that we were doing around table, around transphobia in the United Kingdom. And I remember

singling out Travis and just thinking, fucking hell, I have to watch what this person's going to do

because I think they're going to be a really, really important voice for the next generation.

And seeing the way they've gone on to thrive since then has proven me completely right.

I have learned a lot from Travis, not just around trans issues and things about transphobia,

but also around the intersections of so many different issues and trans issues and a lot about

being on binary. In this episode, we both discussed the difficulty in being such a visible figure

in the trans and on binary community and dealing with the British press. We discussed Travis's

recent journey and deciding whether to transition or not and where that journey came from. We discuss

the respect, those deeper than pronouns and what we should really be looking for and expecting from

different communities. And we discussed their wonderful mother, an exemplary mother, and what an

accepting childhood looks like. The episode is so open, it's so refreshing, it's so hyper tolerant

of other people's points of view within reason, of course. But it shows you a way to engage in this

incredibly troubling and tense discourse in which people's human fucking rights are being debated

as if that is even debatable. But Travis affords us the language, the tone, and the product of their

years of hard work in order to help us communicate with others as to why these issues are so important

and how if we were to allow trans and gender fluid people to just be free, we could all be fucking free.

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