Good evening and welcome to Three Moves Ahead. I'm your host, Bruce Garrick. Tonight, we have a very special elite repeat guest, game designer Mark Herman. Mark, welcome back to the show.

Hey, Bruce, good to hear your voice. All right. Well, a lot of other people didn't hear our voices last time because we actually recorded a whole podcast and then it turns out that only my half got recorded.

So nobody was interested in hearing me talk to a ghost.

So we're trying to do this again.

We have a lot of things to talk about.

I have played your game for Sumpter. As a matter of fact, this is a good thing in a sense because I have now played Ford Sumter, I think, another four times since we talked.

And we also have Empire the Sun and I think we have some Pericles to talk. We have a lot of things to talk about, so let's jump right into it.

So for those people who don't know, Mark has released a new game called Fort Sumter, the Secession Crisis, 1860 to 1861.

And it's a little bit of a, well, I don't know if it's a departure from your usual game.

Once you describe it for us, Mark, then that'll be the official description.

Yeah, so, I mean, the bottom line is a long time ago, I did a derivative game from Turbles for a sword called Stonewall.

And people like sort of like a you know a derivative game because

they kind of know the original and all that kind of thing and then I saw you

know then obviously I did the car driven system and there's been a lot of

derivatives of the car driven system and finally somebody did a derivative

game of Twilight Struggle called 13 days, and I realized

that I could go back and do it myself

for the people, you know, do it

do a small game

in a small format that is very

fast. And I was really looking for

a game that

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