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The Good evening, you are listening to Three Moves Ahead, and I'm your host Rob Zakeney.

Joining me today, once again, is our former intern, Soren Johnson.

Hey, it's great to be back.

And we also welcome back our friend, designer of at the gates, John Schaefer.

Hello, it's going to be here, literally here.

Yeah, for the first time ever, we are actually all in one room at the same time.

And what has brought us together is, of course, the opportunity to celebrate the fact that

civilization is now old enough to rent a car.

So, Siv just turned 25 and has also posted some pretty remarkable sales numbers over its

life as a franchise.

So it's been a pretty massive success for Faraxas, but it's also been, of course, a staple

of strategy gaming on the PC.

So we thought it would be a good opportunity for us to sit down here together and chat about

the history of this franchise, its influence on strategy games, and the various ups and downs

of the series as a whole.

So I guess, you know, to start us off, you know, how did each of you come to civilization? Like, what, like, what was your first

sieve, uh, you know, before? And did you even have an inkling that you would one day be designers?

Uh, you know, not, not only of video games, but of civilization itself. Uh, well, my,

I'm old enough that my first civ was Civ 1, and I bought it literally my first week

of college.

I was in the bookstore.

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