Good evening. You are listening to Three Moves Ahead, and I'm your host, Rob Zagney.

Join me today, once again, our friend, game designer from Disruptor Beam, David Heron.

Hello.

And we also welcome back our buddy, Rob Davio, designer of Risk Legacy and now Pandemic Legacy.

Hello, I'm the Legacy Guy.

Before we dive into today's topic, Rob, it seems like exciting times for legacy games these days.

Yeah, I mean, I did one back at Hasbro, the risk game, and I think I was on the show talking about it maybe four years ago.

And that caused like a bit of a stir.

And now with pandemic, it has just blown up in terms of feedback and, you know, just people talking about it, mostly positive, which is just fantastic.

So I'm trying to pretend that this is all normal.

Yeah.

Right.

Just like, yeah, yeah, I did something and it's going well, right?

I don't really know what to make of it.

So I'm just working on other projects and sort of appreciating it for what it is.

Yeah, it's definitely fun to have a reason to go back to playing a pandemic for me.

That's kind of the upshot of this

for me is that a game I really enjoyed, but it kind of, you know, figured it out. I've got a little

stale at this point sort of back in rotation. So that's pretty cool. So I want to talk today about

something that's, I think, you know, sort of relevant to, particularly your job, Rob, but

something that's kind of relevant across a lot of strategy gaming, particularly anything

that has a multiplayer component. And that is what to do with players who are losing, how to

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