Good evening. You are listening to Three Moves Ahead, and I'm your host, Rob Zackney. With me tonight is one of my regular panel, Three Moves Ahead founder and PR Flack, Troy Goodfellow. Hello, Rob. Good to be back on the show. It's been a while. You know, I'm never going to stop packing salt into the PR wound, by the way. Look, I don't like it anymore than you. That's the best way to preserve it. Yes. I'm going to chase me

to PR up.

We are also Look, I don't like it anymore than you... That's the best way to preserve it.

Yes.

You're going to chase me out a PR up.

We're also joined by a returning guest, Dave Heron, producer-designer at XMG Studio.

Dave, welcome back to the show.

Thanks.

I'm excited to talk about a specific game this time.

And finally, we're joined by first-time guest and someone that I've always been a big fan of,

the director of editorial and social media for Pop Cap, Jeff Green. Jeff, welcome to the show.

Hello, thanks for having me. I am glad to be here. I am a fan of this podcast, so it's an honor to be talking to you guys. But it's not just mutual admiration that unites us.

It's mutual love of civilization.

And since Civilization 5 recently got an expansion, it seemed like a good time to revisit what was actually a fairly controversial sequel in the Civilization franchise.

So, you know, Jeff, I wanted to start with you because you specifically said on Twitter

that Civilization 5 was a miss for you, and Gods and Kings is kind of the game that brought

you back to it.

Yeah, it's definitely true.

And, I mean, the initial sort of gut reaction I had, the thing that turned me was, was religion, being back.

Because that was always a huge thing for me.

And I don't know.

I mean, we'll go into it as we keep talking here.

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