Good evening, you are listening to Three Moves Ahead, and I'm your host Rob Zackney.

Tonight we have the long-awaited Crusader Kings 2 show, and so we are joined by our friend,

Civilization 5 designer and Star Duck designer, John Schaefer. John, thanks for coming.

Thank you. Nice to be here.

We're also joined by freelance writer and RPG strategy gamer extraordinaire, Rowan Kaiser.

Rowan, welcome to the show.

Thanks, Rob.

Nothing too formal planned.

We're just going to sort of chat about Crusader Kings 2 and Gettneran's impressions.

Now, you know, Ron, I guess we'd start, I'd like to start with you because you reviewed

this for GameSpy, if I'm not mistaken.

And, you know, what don't you take us through your impressions?

Because actually, because I remember you, the game made a bit of a rough first impression

on you, but it seems like it brought you around.

Yeah, I didn't actually know that it was one of the Europa Universalist-style games at first.

So I click on it and I see this huge density of buttons and this 27-level tutorial

and I'm just like, what have I gotten myself into?

After I start clicking around and realize, oh hey, this is just like EU, only this is the medieval one,

which I had heard about, but the name

hadn't actually registered in my head. Then I got into it a lot easier, but there's still

all the Europa Universalist style works would be the nicest way to put it, or interface density

or difficulty would be, perhaps more

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