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The Lawfare Podcast

Three CISA Senior Advisers on Secure by Design

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 December 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Secure by Design means different things to different people. As part of Lawfare’s ongoing project to understand what Secure by Design might mean in practice, we are trying to identify the open questions—areas where research or inquiry might help our collective understanding of the concept and how it might work. Lawfare Contributing Editor Paul Rosenzweig sat down with three Senior Advisers to CISA—Lauren Zabierek, Jack Cable, and Bob Lord—who work on the cutting edge of SbD design and implementation, to get their thoughts on research that would be of ongoing value to their efforts to define an SbD standard.

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CBEs that the most impactful vulnerabilities, CISA also publishes the

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the known exploited vulnerabilities list which shows which vulnerabilities we know have been leveraged in cybersecurity incidents.

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It's very hard I've tried myself to actually learn from this

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what the most common causes of these vulnerabilities are and even more so how these are tied to

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cyber security incidents in the wild.

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I'm Paul Rosenswain, contributing editor of Law Fair, and this is the Law Fair podcast, December 22nd,

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2023. Our topic today is software liability. It's generated by President Biden's cybersecurity

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strategy which proposes to impose liability on those who manufacture

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software with code problems within it.

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I sat down with Lauren Zabriac, Bob Lord, and Jack Cable, who are senior advisors in the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure

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Security Agency at the Department of Homeland Security, who are the go-to people on the topic of what it means to design secure software code.

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And as part of Law Affairs's ongoing project to understand what secure by design might mean in practice,

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