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🗓️ 18 July 2025
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Tom is a novelist, essayist, and critic, who once described himself as a “supposed literary intellectual/homosexual/Republican.” He’s the former literary editor of GQ and a professor emeritus of English at GW. He’s the author of 11 books of fiction, including Up With the Sun, Dewey Defeats Truman, and Fellow Travelers — which was adapted into a miniseries. His nonfiction has focused on plagiarism (Stolen Words), letters (Yours Ever), and the Kennedy assassination (Mrs. Paine’s Garage). His new book is The Very Heart of It: New York Diaries, 1983-1994.
For two clips of our convo — on the “mixed marriages” of the AIDS crisis, and Hitchens before cancel culture — head to our YouTube page.
Other topics: his struggling middle-class family on Long Island; his dad a WWII vet; neither parent finished high school — and Tom went to Harvard for his PhD; the Space Race; when you could make a good living as a freelance writer; novelist Mary McCarthy as a formative influence; Capote; Vidal; Mailer; Updike; Orwell and clarity in writing; the Danish cartoonists; the Jacob Epstein plagiarism scandal; Martin Amis; Elizabeth Hardwick; Tom’s conservatism; the New Deal as a buffer against socialism; the anti-Communism of Catholics; Bobby Kennedy; leftist utopianism on campus; Bill Buckley; AIDS bringing America out of the closet; losing a boyfriend to the disease; the fear of an HIV test; the medieval symptoms; the deadly perils of dating; the dark humor; writing Virtually Normal thinking I would die; the miracle drugs; survivor’s guilt; advocating for gay marriage; its relatively quick acceptance; and Tom’s husband of 36 years who’s had HIV for more than three decades.
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0:00.0 | The Hi there. Welcome to another dishcast in this beautiful summer. It is Bear Week in Provincetown where I'm at, which is my favorite week of the year, actually, |
0:41.7 | in which large numbers of rather large and hairy middle-aged men show up for no obvious reason, |
0:48.6 | and create a sort of bear soup at the local pools. |
0:53.3 | They don't actually trek out to the far beaches. |
0:57.3 | Most of them don't anyway because they're bears. |
0:59.4 | But it's a huge, it's just a, it's a fun week. |
1:02.6 | There's something about the atmosphere here when they show up, |
1:06.7 | because they're not trying to look perfect. |
1:09.2 | There's not all that sort of body Nazi style stuff that the gays are so good at, |
1:15.1 | you're flitting on each other. |
1:16.5 | And it's chill and it's lovely. |
1:18.1 | And I'm happy to be alive here in this still free country, however beleaguered we are, |
1:26.9 | in a place that still allows such a thing to happen, |
1:29.4 | which is pretty remarkable in human history. And I'm grateful for that. And I want to thank you |
1:34.7 | for subscribing. And if you haven't subscribed, please do. We do need paid subscribers to keep this going. |
1:40.8 | If you haven't at some point, this podcast will cease and you will miss all the really good |
1:47.2 | juicy bits which we keep for the second half. No, we don't. But we try and give you a good |
1:52.8 | cut off to get you mad. Coming up, we have Scott Anderson talking about his new book on the |
1:58.9 | Iranian Revolution. |
2:07.8 | Finally, I have someone, Shannon Minter who's coming in from the National Council of Lesbian Rights, who's coming in. |
2:18.9 | The first person is prepared to come into debate trans issues with me in the context of the current debate, which is a breakthrough for us to have someone who's a serious person in the trans movement, come and talk to, have a conversation. So I think the New York Times piece |
2:23.7 | that we did has maybe broken the ice a little bit. And then Johan Hari is coming in to talk about |
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