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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Edward Luce On America's Self-Harm

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

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Ed is the US national editor and columnist at the Financial Times. Before that, he was the FT’s Washington Bureau chief, the South Asia bureau chief, Capital Markets editor, and Philippines correspondent. During the Clinton administration, he was the speechwriter for Larry Summers. The author of many books, his latest is Zbig: The Life and Times of Brzezinski, America’s Great Power Prophet.

For two clips of our convo — on how China played Trump on rare minerals, and Europe’s bind over Russian energy — head to our YouTube page.

Other topics: growing up in West Sussex near my hometown; the international appeal of English boarding schools; the gerontocracy of the USSR; Ed making a beeline to the Berlin Wall as it fell; Fukuyama’s The End of History; Brzezinski’s The Grand Failure — of Communism; enthusiasm for free markets after the Cold War; George Kennan warning against Ukraine independence; HW Bush and the Persian Gulf; climate change and migration; a population boom in Africa; W Bush tolerating autocracy in the war on terrorism; Trump tearing up his own NAFTA deal; the resurgence of US isolationism; the collapsing security umbrella in Europe leading to more self-reliance; Germany’s flagging economy; the China threat; Taiwan’s chips; TACO on tariffs; the clean energy cuts in OBBBA; the abundance agenda; national debt and Bowles-Simpson; the overrated Tony Blair; Liz Truss’ “epic Dunning-Kruger”; Boris killing the Tory Party; the surprising success of Mark Carney; Biden’s mediocrity; Bernie’s appeal; and the Rest catching up with the West.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Tara Zahra on the revolt against globalization after WWI, Scott Anderson on the Iranian Revolution, Shannon Minter debating trans issues, Thomas Mallon on the AIDS crisis, and Johann Hari turning the tables to interview me. Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hi there and welcome to another dishast.

0:32.5

We're here in Provincetown.

0:34.9

Once again, I'm here all summer, I hope.

0:37.4

I won't have to go back to

0:38.5

England at any time. And it's finally hot. And people are beginning to zone out a little bit,

0:45.3

I think. But not us. We the dish carry on regardless. And thank you for subscribing.

0:53.3

If you haven't subscribed, please do.

0:56.2

It really helps us keep the show on the road.

0:59.3

We have coming up some wonderful guests.

1:01.3

We have Tarazara, who's coming on to talk about the last wave of anti-globalization,

1:07.7

which happened after World War I.

1:09.8

Thomas Malin is coming on to discuss

1:12.0

his diaries from the 80s and 90s during the AIDS years, and Yohan Hari is coming on, my old

1:17.7

friend, to turn the tables and interview me. But today, I felt we should really get to grips

1:25.4

a little bit with the extraordinary amount of change we're seeing in the foreign sphere.

1:32.1

We have so many events happening at once.

1:35.0

We have several wars.

1:36.2

We have near-seas fires.

1:37.3

We have tariff wars.

1:39.4

We have an extremely, let's put it, fluid situation.

1:44.9

So I thought, who could I ask to solve every problem for us

1:49.9

and to put it in the most concise way imaginable?

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