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If Books Could Kill

Thomas Chatterton Williams' "Summer of Our Discontent"

If Books Could Kill

Michael Hobbes & Peter Shamshiri

Arts, Politics, Books, Society & Culture, News

4.68.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2025

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Peter and Michael discuss a book that's light on facts and long on sentences. Where to find us: Our PatreonOur merch!Peter's newsletterPeter's other podcast, 5-4Mike's other podcast, Maintenance PhaseSources: Book Review: ‘Summer of Our Discontent,’ by Thomas Chatterton WilliamsPolice shootings database 2015-2024From the archive, 22 March 1991: President Bush sickened by Rodney King caseBarack Obama Public ApprovalLetter To Christopher L. Eisgruber, President Princeton UniversityPolice ...

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0:00.0

I've got the new mic setup.

0:01.3

It'll be a little louder, I think.

0:02.5

You got your Loudener installed?

0:04.6

By the way, remember how I couldn't get it working last time? It was like, hey, I told everyone I'd like send a thing to the 5-4 chat. I was like, hey, I got the thing. You told me, but I can't get the mic working now. And basically there's literally just like a button. You press on the Scarlet. It's like the loudener button.

0:20.3

Everyone's like, you didn't press the button, idiot.

0:22.3

And they were sending memes.

0:23.3

They were sending memes about it.

0:24.7

Maybe in, Basically, there's literally just like a button you press on the scarlet. It's like the loudener button. Everyone's like, you didn't press the button, idiot. They were sending memes about it. Maybe instead of a beverage center, you should have gotten an audio center, punk. I will be writing off the beverage center. I think it's a business thing. Now that we've mentioned it. Every new thing I purchased for my home, I'm just going to mention on the podcast, and that way I can frame it as a business expense. So I've watched numerous YouTube videos where I'm like, you're only talking about this for the taxes, aren't you? All right. Let's go in. I'm stealing this from someone in our Discord, but let's do it. Michael. Peter. What do you know about Summer of Our Discontent by Thomas Chatterton Williams?

0:55.5

All I know is there's a reason people don't call him Thomas Thinkerton Williams.

1:14.9

Summer of our discontent by Thomas Chatterton Williams.

1:17.1

This just came out a few weeks back.

1:19.0

We wanted to cover this book for a couple of reasons. One is that he's like disproportionately influential to his talent.

1:23.3

And the other is that like I think that there is like a lingering reactionary narrative about 2020 that he's articulating here that needs to be addressed in some form.

1:35.3

It's very similar.

1:36.0

It is very similar to the COVID revisionism stuff where people are just trying to make you ignore what you remember like from relatively recent history.

1:42.7

This is the work of a man who, for some reason, has been relatively influential

1:50.4

among, like, a certain set of reactionary centrist and journalists.

1:55.6

Yeah.

1:55.9

And he has one black parent, one white parent.

1:58.3

And so he is, like, a person of color who doesn't think we should

2:03.3

be talking about race so much. Yeah. Right. That's always sort of of interest to the yapping

2:09.0

classes. But also talking about it makes you sound hella problematic because you're basically

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