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This week on the Newsagents USA, we're going to be talking to Donald Trump's former

press secretary, Sean Spicer, the one who talked about those huge inaugural crowds on his first day in office.

This is the journalism that I think so many people, not just in Britain and the US, but around the world despise, is when you try to create clickbait moments so that you can have a viral moment.

Look, I've said it very clearly. I wrote a book about it that on that first day,

I wasn't as articulate as I could have been. I think we focused on the wrong things. I've made

it very clear. I make no apologies for the fact that I would, as you said, and I've said it publicly

like a do-over because I wasn't as clear as what we should have been talking about that day. And I did this president. Wait, when you say you weren't as clear, let me finish that.

Okay, but just clarify what weren't as clear means.

Let me finish.

What I said is, I would like a do-over because I did a disservice to the president.

And I think, frankly, the administration shouldn't have started off on that tone.

And we'll be looking at Biden and the situation

with the Gaza release of hostages. And we'll be looking at what Mike Pence might or might not have

been thinking when it came to certifying the president. Because it's beginning to seem that Mike Pence,

far from being the hero of January the 6th, may himself have flirted with the

idea of not certifying the result. And it was only the intervention of his son who was serving

in the military who said, Dad, you've got to uphold the Constitution. It's a fascinating story.

And it's on Newsagents USA on Global Player.

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