Welcome to the Not Old Better Show, Good Housekeeping interview series on radio and podcast.

The show covering all things health, wellness, culture, kitchen, cooking, and more.

The show for all of us who aren't old, we're better.

Each week, we'll interview superstars, experts,

and ordinary people doing extraordinary things, all related to this wonderful experience

of getting better, not just older. Now here's your host, the award-winning Paul Vogelzeck.

Thank you.

Today's episode is brought to you by Wayfair.

Every style, every home, Wayfair.

And today's episode is special because of our guest today.

We open a very large, very red book, if any of you remember, this is your life.

And it begins with a familiar scene, a kitchen, a sink, a dish towel. very red book if any of you remember this is your life.

And it begins with a familiar scene, a kitchen, a sink, a dish towel, and someone, possibly you asking, do I really have to pre-w rinse this?

And from just offstage a calm voice answers with the confidence of four decades of proof.

No, because this is your life, Carolyn Forte.

We didn't grab her in a hotel lobby like old television used to do.

We simply lured her in the most modern way to our good housekeepings series with a quick question about dishwashers

and a suspiciously spotty wine glass. Our guest today is long-time standout personality from Good Housekeeping Labs,

Carolyn Forte, who has spent more than 40 years at Good Housekeeping moving from the

textiles lab to the home care and cleaning lab, where clean isn't a vibe, it's data.

Carolyn Forte and her team over the years don't just read labels. They challenge them. They make stains on purpose.

They time cycles.

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