I want to spend the time either fantasizing already being there or looking for the shortcut to be there.

It's a matter of understanding the principles of resilience.

That is to be able to stress yourself, just like we do with training.

So the mental aspect, whether it's in business or your personal life,

is to have those challenges, those scary moments like opposed upon you and then having an

adaptation to it. Welcome to the Hardway podcast with Joe DeCena founder and CEO of

Spartan races. We're teaching you how to overcome your obstacles in your life the same way

we teach our 10 million plus Spartans to overcome obstacles on the course with

insight from the smartest most accomplished experts from every corner of the world.

Get ready to elevate your life today.

Joe Descenae, CEO, founder of Spartan, host to a hardway podcast, have my buddy Chris Duffinon,

mad scientist.

This guy can turn even the weakest of people into a resilient, tough son of a bitch.

Welcome aboard, sir.

Thanks. Good to have a discussion again, Joe. It's always fun.

How do we take a weak person and turn them into a tough person? I mean, if you were a wolf that grew out, you know, grew up in the wild,

you're naturally going to be tough. But if you're a wolf that grew up on Park Avenue and all

of a sudden you've been coddled every day and you've turned into a poodle, how do we turn a poodle

into a wolf? You know my backstory. I literally did grow up in the wilderness. So it went through some pretty traumatic experiences

growing up in that environment. Yeah, I work with a lot of folks that don't have that experience.

It's very uncommon to have the background that I had. And naturally, that taught me a lot of lessons.

It's a matter of understanding the principles of resilience that That is to be able to stress yourself,

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