People don't realize enough how fitness transfers into real life.

If you get after in the gym, you go do a Spartan race, you go do whatever you want to do, and you learn these mindset tools, man, the way they transfer in real life is incredibly profound. I competed professionally in CrossFit for about a decade. It's like, look, you're going to look better, you're going to have better blood markers, you're going to live longer, you're going to be able to protect and provide for your family. All those things matter.

But in between the ears, the biggest thing. Whatever's going on. If you go workout, you're going to be better. Welcome to the Hardway podcast with Joe DeCena, founder and CEO of Spartan races. We're teaching you how to overcome your obstacles in your life the same way we teach our 10 million plus Spartans to overcome obstacles on the course.

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Joe Descena here, CEO and founder of Spartan, host of the Hardway podcast.

I got my buddy Jason Kalipa on.

We know each other a while. Back in 2008. This tough guy, I don't say that lightly, won the CrossFit Games. Pretty impressive story. Welcome aboard, Sarah. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I mean, I guess you're a tough guy. I don't know if I'm a tough guy, but I'm trying to be a tough

guy. I'm trying to train hard and get after it and develop myself through fitness. That's what

I've been doing for a really long time. So happy to be here. Thank you. Listen, it's no small

feat to go out and win the CrossFit games. You are a tough guy. There were probably many

moments in the training leading up to that and the games where you wanted to quit. Am I right? Yeah, of course. I mean, I've competed professionally in CrossFit for about a decade. And then since then I've gotten in a lot of other sports in particular, jihitsu. But yes, naturally, like when you're at the tip of the spear and you're competing for money, fame, this, that.

Yeah, of course, there's moments that you want to quit.

I mean, there's just countless moments, right? In training leading up to it, of course, but even at the actual event, because of the way the CrossFit games are structured, you're talking about five days, 15 events, and some of them could just be super just a lot, a lot of intensity, a lot of volume.

And there's moments a lot of intensity, a lot of volume.

And there's moments of kind of like you question why you're even there.

And those are the times you've got to overcome it for sure.

What tips or tricks?

I mean, that's interesting for me because it's something we talk about a lot at Spartan.

What tips or tricks did you implement, did you

use to help you get through those moments? Yeah, I mean, I mean, ones that stick out to me,

and they carry over in real life for sure. I think that people don't realize enough how fitness

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