Hey everyone this is Jonathan K. This is Jonathan K.

This week we're doing something different. We're talking with Franklin Sermons

director of the Perez Art Museum Miami.

I talked with him when I zipped down to Miami last month to talk to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Now, Sermons is a star of the contemporary art world and what he's doing in his stunning museum on

Biscayne Bay made for a fascinating conversation. Sure there are people who

would say museums aren't for me you know this it's this place that is of the past, but I think we, I really believe we are

different and we don't have the baggage of the past.

This is going to be unlike any other K-pop conversation you've heard. We're talking art, which uses the same language

we political junkies use, but in a different way. So this might take some getting used to, but get used to it,

because this is the perfect escape from the insanity of politics. Franklin, thank you so much for being on the podcast.

Thank you for having me, Jonathan.

So if you were to say the name MoMA, Museum of Modern Art, people have an idea of what's there.

You say the Met, Metropolitan Museum of Art.

People know what's there.

But when people here Perez Art Museum, Miami, what do you, what vision do you hope

comes to mind when they hear the name?

International contemporary art of the moment and told with the sort of tongue or with the

flavor of Latin America and the Caribbean, which is where we are.

I came here for many reasons.

It is the opportunity to speak from the point of view of a museum

in a way that is different in other places. So that means that we have a lot of people,

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