Hey everyone this is Jonathan K-Pard

welcome to K-Pup this week my guest is Alberto I Barguin.

Now as president of the Knight Foundation,

I barguin is a fierce advocate of the First Amendment.

So I talked with him about the state of journalism

in the age of Twitter.

He says we've been in this uncertain state before.

After Gutenberg, any Tom Dick or Martin Luther could print whatever they want, and it took a

hundred years to sort it all out.

A bargain win raises all sorts of questions about our social media age and the freedoms

guaranteed by the First Amendment which says Congress shall make no law abridging them.

But what happens if Congress isn't doing the abridging?

And what happens when we talk to Carol, my trustee producers?

She doesn't say anything, but trust me, she's there.

And did you realize that algorithms have parents? Your mind blown by that?

Just wait until you hear what else a bargain has to say right now. Abrato, thanks so much for being on K-pop. My pleasure. So you were publisher of New York News Day, El Nuevo Herald in Miami, the Miami Herald, now you're the

president of the Knight Foundation which supports excellence in journalism and

other things when I focus on journalism.

From where you've been professionally and where you sit now, how would you describe the state of journalism?

Confused. First, I want to say I was not the publisher of New York News Day. I was the

executive vice president. The people who were publishers are probably listening to this

podcast and will say facts, facts matter and in fact facts do matter and facts are

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