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The Spiritual Perspective

THIS is how you meditate (without even trying) | A Spiritual Perspective Conversation with Light Watkins & Peter Russell

The Spiritual Perspective

Light Watkins

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Self-improvement

4.9981 Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Peter Russell has spent over 50 years exploring one of the most quietly radical ideas of our time: that the mind doesn't need to be forced, pushed, or perfected — it just needs to be allowed to rest. In this episode of The Spiritual Perspective Conversations, Light Watkins and Peter Russell take us from his childhood on the English coast, through his time studying under Stephen Hawking at Cambridge, to sitting with Maharishi in India, and eventually getting banned by the very movement h...

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0:00.0

People were told I was a bad influence, not to talk to me, and that was the hard part because then I lost my connection with the Mauryi.

0:09.0

He said he has a good mind, but he won't use it properly.

0:12.0

They made me promise never to tell anybody that I was teaching a meditation.

0:17.0

I was walking through my local library and I saw this book by the Maharishi. And it just started making so much sense.

0:23.6

He was talking about lack of effort in meditation.

0:26.6

That was profound for me.

0:27.6

Talk about your impressions of the Maharishi.

0:30.6

He was always giggling, which always struck me as a sign of a good guru.

0:33.6

They shouldn't be taking life too seriously.

0:36.6

I realized there was a lot of misunderstanding about meditation,

0:40.3

and I wanted to set the record straight.

0:42.3

And this idea came to me to write this book.

0:45.3

I realized it was my mathematical training that made me successful.

0:49.3

There is a logical construction to my writing.

0:52.3

Did you have to get the blessing of Maharishi to write that book?

0:55.2

No, I didn't get his blessing.

0:57.3

And in fact, the TM movement banned it.

1:00.4

Still, it's one of my bestselling books now 50 years later.

1:06.0

All my listeners know that I'm a huge proponent of meditation.

1:10.4

And I'm honored to have one of my

1:13.9

original inspirations on the podcast. So guys, for those of you who don't know, I first read one of

1:21.1

Peter's books. He said it was his first book called The TM Technique back in the early 2000s.

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