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Money Tree Investing

This Bull Market Is Crashing… And No One Is Talking about It

Money Tree Investing

Money Tree Investing Podcast

Stockmarket, Valuestocks, Investing, Finance, Passiveincome, Wealth, Business, Personalfinance

4.6658 Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

This bull market is crashing and no one is talking about it! We kick off the fourth quarter by talking about how the government shut down has impacted the market. Precious metals—particularly gold, silver, and mining stocks—continue to surge in a largely overlooked bull market.

We also critique flawed data interpretations and talk the dangers of drawing false conclusions and the importance of treating data as correlation, not truth. We urge you to think critically about information in both science and finance. 

We discuss...

  • Markets have largely ignored the government shutdown, even moving higher despite it.
  • Gold, silver, and mining stocks are in a powerful bull market that most investors are overlooking.
  • Data shows correlation, not truth, and conclusions must be questioned.
  • Investors should focus on price action and risk management, not the "why" behind moves.
  • Private equity firms are overleveraged, with declining returns and cash flow–negative companies.
  • While some private equity opportunities may exist, most are poor deals for average investors.
  • Examples like JoAnn Fabrics and Red Lobster are cited as once-strong businesses destroyed by debt-heavy private equity ownership.
  • Public backlash is growing as stories emerge of private equity "ruining" local businesses, hospitals, and jobs.
  • The Big Ten Conference is reportedly exploring selling part of its media rights to private equity for short-term funding.
  • Private investors could demand control over athletic or academic decisions, clashing with university missions.
  • A lack of ethical grounding and values fuels these destructive financial practices.
  • Many societal problems stem from short-term greed and moral decay rather than lack of opportunity.
  • They review sector strength, noting broad participation and strong 52-week highs as signs of market health.
  • Market breadth is strong, showing that many stocks—not just the "Magnificent 7"—are participating in gains.
  • A "bull market behavior checklist" shows most indicators remain positive, suggesting momentum continues.
  • Seasonal charts show typical market strength in early and late-year periods, but be cautious against overreliance on averages.
  • They warn investors to be cautious even in strong markets, as low defensive positioning can precede pullbacks.
  • Wealth preservation depends not just on building assets but structuring them to last.

For more information, visit the show notes at https://moneytreepodcast.com/this-bull-market-is-crashing 

Today's Panelists:

Kirk Chisholm | Innovative Wealth
Douglas Heagren | Mergent College Advisors

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Tree Investing Podcast. Stock market, wealth, personal finance, value stocks, invest in your life. Hello, Smart Money Tree Podcast listeners. Welcome to this week show. My name is Kirk Chisholm. I'll be your host. And today I'm joined with Doug Agrin. Hey, Doug. Seems like so long ago we got to talk to each other like, what, two days, three days ago.

0:22.0

So it's good to see you again, Kirk.

0:23.4

I always appreciate it.

0:24.7

I see you almost as much as I see my family these days.

0:27.6

I'm your adopted son, Doug.

0:31.5

Ah, well, you know, it's time to start parenting you.

0:35.9

Definitely need some parenting.

0:40.6

Didn't take the first time. So good luck.

0:49.0

Awesome. Well, let's step it in. So today's Friday, happy October 3rd. It is officially October and is officially fourth quarter. It's interesting. We talked about this last show and how the

0:54.1

end of the quarter tends to be a time where things change. It doesn interesting. We talked about this last show and how the end of the quarter

0:54.6

tends to be a time where things change. It doesn't mean they change, but if they are going to change,

0:59.2

it is a high probabilistic time that it will happen. The markets have kind of taken in a stride along

1:05.8

with the government shutdown. It's kind of funny. The markets have actually gone up with the shutdown.

1:10.7

So I'm not

1:11.7

surprised at that. I think it's pretty interesting. So a lot going on in the world. Like I said,

1:16.9

the government shutdown, which I'm curious to see, the markets don't seem to care anymore.

1:21.3

They cared the first time it happened and since then they don't. But I do want to talk about a few

1:26.1

things today. We've got lots of charts to share,

1:28.7

lots of mental models to share and what's going on. I know everyone here has been listening to

1:34.3

our rant of the last few weeks over the biggest bull market ever, which is gold and now silver.

1:40.1

Even mining stocks are taken off. It's boom time for everyone. So if you're not involved with that, I would highly recommend looking because there's a lot of room to run. I will say that silver is getting really, really close to an all-time high. I think the all-time high was 59.5, I believe. I thought it was 50. I'm sorry, I thought it was 50 is 49.5.

2:01.4

That's what I was told the other day. So I have to go back and look. But it is 48 as of right now.

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