I know the whistle blow has been very inaccurate because when we released the transcript of the conversation that I had with the president of Ukraine,

who, frankly, today was very good somewhere in Ukraine, I guess, gave a news conference on unrelated things, was asked a question,

and he said, President Trump behaved in a perfectly fine manner. There was nothing wrong in any way, shape, or form.

This is really unprecedented. Congress has their responsibility to conduct oversight,

it's a particularly serious responsibility in the context of an impeachment inquiry.

Someone says he's disappointed that he wasn't allowed to attend this deposition to get it.

Yeah, and I said the same thing. We wish he would have been able to testify too, but we fully understand why the administration made the decision they did.

Hello and welcome to Trumpcast. I'm Virginia Heffrinin. My guest is Elly Meastal. He's a legal analyst at MSNBC and above the law.

He and I are going to dig right into the absurd letter from White House Council to House Democrats that said the president won't cooperate with the impeachment investigation because it hurts their feelings,

because they're subpoena intolerant, and maybe because they don't like Adam Schiff. And it's also not fun for the president to tell the truth, etc.

Elly is the perfect person to pull apart this preposterous letter, and I'm even going to get him to dive into an argument he's hinted at on above the law in the past,

that Congress needs some muscle, some law enforcement with handcuffs, and power in meat space.

You hear what I'm talking about? To bring these contemptuous defiers of subpoenas to heal, like to put them in jail. You'll see. Welcome, Elly.

Thank you for having me. It's an opportunity time to see you because we have this just preposterous, galling, possibly ignorable letter from White House Council Pat Chipalone, maybe getting that wrong.

He served notice to House Democrats, so that's the what is three chairman and and one Madam Speaker that the White House will not cooperate with their impeachment inquiry.

And the level of snideness, the air grammatical or sort of air is at the level of diction, the style of this thing, there's like, there's some trumpisms in there.

It looks like one of those screwy executive orders that we know Trump so well for you are a lawyer, you understand things, is this what what is the legal meaning of this and what is Trump's team such as it is up to?

There is no legal meaning to this, right? This is this there is not a single valid legal argument in this entire letter. It is legal trash.

If I didn't know better, I would say that this guy like watched like a marathon of law and order on TNT to get some law sounding words.

And just like sharpie them into what was clearly a political press statement that he wanted to get out to the media and from a press statement, it's kind of doing its work.

Like we're talking about it as we talked about on the news all last night. I mean, people are treating this like it's a legitimate document.

But there's no law in here. I want to just read one bit. It's just the first because after you know in a legitimate legal document, you still might have a preamble of political rhetoric before you get to the actual law.

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