This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie, where I go deep with the artists, activists,

entrepreneurs, policymakers, and visionaries who are making the world a more libertarian,

or at least a more interesting place by championing something like free minds and free markets.

My guest today is Katie Herzog. She's co-host of the popular Blockton reported podcast and author of the

absolutely paradigm-shattering new book, Drink Your Way Sober. Katie writes about her and other

people's experiences with something called the Sinclair method. This is a medication-assisted

approach to alcoholism where you use one drug to counter-problematic use

of another drug.

Her story and the cutting-edge research and treatment she reports on upends just about everything

we think we know about drug use, recovery, and autonomy.

We talk about an altrexo.

This is the drug that helped her retrain her brain, about why Alcoholics Anonymous works for some people, including myself, but not for others, and how modern medicine is finally catching up to the idea that we should treat adults like adults when it comes to what we put in our own bodies. We also get into the insane cancel

culture politics that gave rise to her and Jesse single starting the Blockton reported podcast

in 2020, whether we've passed peak woke, and whether conservatives are now simply

presiding over their own version of cancel culture.

Here is the Reason interview with Katie Herzog.

Katie Herzog, thanks for talking to Reason.

Thanks for having me, Dick.

Drink Your Way Sober is a phenomenal book, and I say that as somebody who blurbed it because I, like you, went through...

Yes, that's right.

Well, and, you know, like you, I went through a phase where I really couldn't stop drinking,

and it was becoming a problem.

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