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The Ezra Klein Show

There’s Been a ‘Regime Change’ in How Democrats Think About Elections

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2022

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

According to the conventional rules of politics, Democrats should be on track for electoral disaster this November. Joe Biden’s approval rating is stuck around 42 percent, inflation is still sky-high and midterms usually swing against the incumbent president’s party — a recipe for the kind of political wipeouts we saw in 2018, 2010 and 1994. But that’s not what the polls show. Currently, Democrats are on track to hold the Senate and lose narrowly in the House, which raises all kinds of questions: Why are Republicans failing to capitalize on such a favorable set of circumstances? How did Democrats get themselves into this situation — and can they get out of it? And should we even trust the polls giving us this information in the first place? Matt Yglesias is a veteran journalist who writes the newsletter “Slow Boring” and co-hosts the podcast “Bad Takes.” And in recent years he’s become an outspoken critic of the Democratic Party’s political strategy: how Democrats communicate with the public, what they choose as their governing priorities and whom they ultimately listen to. In Yglesias’s view, Democrats have lost touch with the very voters they need to win close elections like this one, and should embrace a very different approach to politics if they want to defeat an increasingly anti-democratic G.O.P. We discuss why Yglesias thinks the 2022 polls are likely biased toward Democrats, how Republicans’ bizarre nominee choices are giving Democrats a fighting chance of winning the Senate, why Biden’s popular legislative agenda hasn’t translated into greater public support, the Biden administration’s “grab bag” approach to policymaking, why Yglesias thinks there’s been a “regime change” in how Democrats think about elections, how social media has transformed both parties’ political incentives, what the Democratic agenda should look like if the party retains both houses of Congress and more. Book recommendations: Famine: A Short History by Cormac Ó Gráda Slouching Towards Utopia by J. Bradford DeLong Strangers to Ourselves by Rachel Aviv Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld, Sonia Herrero and Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein. This is the Ezra Conch.

0:23.1

The midterm elections are just about two weeks away and things are looking a bit different

0:27.5

than I would have expected. So Biden's approval rating is hovering around 42%.

0:32.4

Inflation is very high. And adding that midterm is 10 to swing against the

0:37.6

president's party and we should be on track for a massacre. But if the polls are to be believed,

0:44.1

we're not Democrats favored to hold the Senate. Republicans are favored to win the House and not by

0:49.5

some giant landslide. No chamber looks set for the kind of wipeout we saw in 2018 or 2010 or 1994.

0:57.4

And maybe the polls aren't to be believed. That's something we cover in this episode too.

1:01.8

But maybe there's more than that at play. My guess today is Matt Iglesias. Matt and I,

1:07.0

we go way back. We were early political bloggers together back when the bloggers fear

1:11.4

and the internet and we were young. We co-founded Vox together. Now Matt writes,

1:16.3

the newsletters slow boring and he co-hosts the podcast bad takes. And every year's Matt has become

1:21.8

more focused on party strategies. How do Democrats and Republicans present themselves to the public?

1:28.0

Who governs and shapes that presentation? What do they actually do when they govern? And how does

1:33.4

that affect how they're seen? And Matt has particularly become a critic of a Democratic party that he

1:38.8

often argues is in hawk to a highly educated staffer class and his lost sight of the voters.

1:45.0

It most needs to win over. So I want to have him on the show and talk about where Democrats are

1:49.6

on the eve of this year 2022 election. As always, my email is reclineshow at nwytimes.com.

2:00.1

Matt Iglesias, welcome to the show. Hi, it's good to be here.

2:03.7

So let's start with where we are. Joe Biden's approval rating is about 42% in the averages I'm seeing.

2:09.2

At the same time, the polls and forecasts give Democrats a, I'd say it's fair to say a fighting chance

2:14.4

in midterms, a two and three chance of keeping the Senate, a one in four chance of keeping the house.

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