Theories of War & How the 'Rest' Learned to Fight the West | David Kilcullen

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.8 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2020

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 126 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with David Kilcullen, a theorist and practitioner of guerrilla and unconventional warfare, and counterterrorism. David has amassed extensive operational experience over a 25 year career with the Australian and U.S. governments as an army officer, analyst, policy advisor and diplomat. He served in Iraq as senior counterinsurgency advisor to U.S. General David Petraeus and was senior advisor to U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice. He has served in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, and Colombia. He's Professor of International and Political Studies at the University of New South Wales, Canberra. He's also the author of five prize winning books on terrorism, insurgency, and future warfare, including his latest, "The Dragons and the Snakes: How the Rest Learned to Fight the West." This episode deals mainly with the evolution of warfare and the threats we currently face, including an extensive analysis of Chinese and Russian conventional and unconventional methods targeting the West. The two also discuss the emergency measures currently being put into place across the world in response to the spread of Coronavirus and the implications of those measures for the future of liberal democracy.

The second hour of Demetri and David's conversation includes a deep-dive into Russiagate, as well as the types of strategies of liminal warfare being employed by Putin and the Russian Federation against America and the West. The two also speculate about how Western adversaries may inflict further damage upon them during the 2020 election, capitalize on internal divisions, refugee crises, as well as this latest, global pandemic.

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0:00.0	Today's episode of Hidden Forces is made possible by listeners like you.
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0:21.5	Each review helps more people find the show and join our
0:24.9	amazing community. And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. And the What's up everybody? My guest today is David Kilcullen, a theorist and practitioner of guerrilla and unconventional warfare and counterterrorism
0:59.1	with extensive operational experience over a 25-year career with the Australian and US governments
1:06.4	as an Army officer, analyst, policy advisor, and diplomat.
1:11.4	He served in Iraq as senior counterinsurgency advisor to U.S. General
1:16.3	David Petraeus, was senior advisor to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and has served in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, and
1:26.7	Colombia.
1:28.1	He's professor of international and political studies at the University of New South Wales, Canberra, and he's the author of five
1:36.0	prize-winning books on terrorism, insurgency, and future warfare, including his latest,
1:42.4	the Dragons and the Sn snakes, how the rest learned to fight the
1:46.2	West.
1:47.2	I know that I've said this a number of times about prior conversations with other guests, but I have to say it again because this really was one of the best episodes that I have ever done.
2:02.0	It deals mainly with the evolution of warfare and the threat
2:06.1	environment that we currently face including an extensive analysis of Chinese and
2:12.0	Russian conventional and unconventional methods of warfare that
2:16.4	target the West.
2:18.2	But we also couldn't ignore what's been happening in the world and in the U. the US with the spread of the coronavirus,
2:24.8	what's now been officially declared to be a global pandemic by the World Health Organization
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