The World Reacts to Afghanistan

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🗓️ 27 August 2021

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Much of the world has been watching the rapidly developing situation in Afghanistan with a mix of shock and anguish. Bryce Klehm spoke with five experts to get a sense of how the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan is being perceived around the world. You’ll hear from Madiha Afzal, the David M. Rubenstein Fellow in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, on Pakistan; Suzanne Maloney, the vice president and director of the Foreign Policy program at Brookings, on Iran; Yun Sun, the director of the China Program at the Stimson Center, on China; Joy Neumeyer, a writer and historian of Russia and the Soviet Union who has also worked as a journalist in Moscow, on Russia; and Constanze Stelzenmüller, the Fritz Stern Chair on Germany and trans-Atlantic Relations and a senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, on Germany.

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0:29.0	This is an opportunity, at least for state media and cremland image makers,
0:39.0	to burnish Russia's own reputation in its past involvement in Afghanistan.
0:45.0	China sees Afghanistan as a potential safe haven for wager militants and wager terrorists.
0:51.0	And the more unstable the country is, the more stretch from the wager militants and wager groups will be against China.
0:57.0	So Pakistan stands on what it wants is a relationship with the US that goes beyond Afghanistan.
1:05.0	Washington will be hard pressed to justify such a relationship with Pakistan when it sees the outcome in Afghanistan in many ways,
1:15.0	as at least partly the product of this sort of long alleged double game by Pakistan.
1:22.0	A lack of consultation with the Allies when American forces first left in the beginning of the summer.
1:30.0	And then again, a lack of consultation when the sort of final broadon was announced.
1:38.0	And I think that is currently making for a somewhat complicated environment between Washington and Berlin.
1:44.0	It has discredited the ocean.
1:47.0	The United States can successfully intervene and promote regime change to a stable or secular government.
1:56.0	Ambrice Klen, and this is the Law Fair podcast, August 27, 2021.
2:02.0	Much of the world has been watching the rapidly developing situation in Afghanistan with a mix of shock and anguish.
2:08.0	I spoke with five experts to get a sense of how the US withdrawal from Afghanistan is being perceived around the world.
2:14.0	In this episode, you will hear an analysis of the reactions from Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia, and Germany.
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