Lawfare Archive: Michelle Melton on Climate Change as a National Security Threat
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🗓️ 28 August 2021
⏱️ 45 minutes
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From April 16, 2019: Since November, Lawfare Contributor Michelle Melton has run a series on our website about Climate Change and National Security, examining the implication of the threat as well as U.S. and international responses to climate change. Melton is a student a Harvard Law school. Prior to that she was an associate fellow in the Energy and National Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, where she focused on climate policy.
She and Benjamin Wittes sat down to discuss the series. They talked about why we should think about climate change as a national security threat, the challenges of viewing climate change through this paradigm, the long-standing relationship between climate change and the U.S. national security apparatus, and how climate change may affect global migration.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:39.2 | I'm Jacob Schultz and this is an episode from the LawFair Archive for August 28th, 2021. |
| 0:46.2 | It's been a long climate summer with wildfires and scorching hot temperatures in the Pacific |
| 0:51.6 | Northwest. |
| 0:53.0 | So for today's episode, I chose an April 2019 conversation between Benjamin Woodis and |
| 0:59.0 | Michelle Mountain. |
| 1:00.0 | Mountain wrote a series of articles for LawFair about climate change and national security. |
| 1:04.4 | Why is climate change a national security threat? |
| 1:07.3 | And what are the advantages and drawbacks of thinking about it in that framework? |
| 1:10.9 | It's a great conversation that's only increased in relevance during the intervening two years. |
| 1:15.9 | I'm Michaela Fogel and this is the LawFair podcast April 16th, 2019. |
| 1:24.3 | Since November, LawFair contributor Michelle Melton has run a series on our website about |
| 1:28.9 | climate change and national security, examining the implications of the threat as well as |
| 1:34.2 | US and international responses to climate change. |
| 1:38.3 | Melton is a student at Harvard Law School. |
| 1:40.4 | Prior to that, she was an associate fellow in the Energy and National Security Program |
| 1:44.8 | at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, where she focused on climate policy. |
| 1:50.8 | She and Benjamin Woodis sat down last week to discuss the series. |
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