Hello and welcome you are listening to an upstream interview which is part of the

Economics for Transition Project. My name is Dela Duncan and I'm very happy to welcome Joanna Macy to this program.

Welcome Joanna.

Hello, Dela.

So glad to be with you.

What Joanna Macy does through her books, film projects, courses, and workshops is invite us to experience

active hope for the world and humanity by reconnecting us to the natural world, to each other, and to ourselves.

And the way that she does this is by inviting us to expand how we see ourselves, how we see who we are, to include

not just ourselves, but also to include Earth and all living beings, and as well to expand our perspective of time so that we don't just focus on

the present and what's happening this year and during this century but also to

include the history of Earth and all of the future history of earth.

And so in doing so, we're able to have our actions and our ways of being draw on the wisdom of 4 billion years of life on earth

and also to contribute to a thriving planet, a life sustaining planet, instead of a life destructive planet and a dying one.

And her work is grounded in a theoretical framework that includes general systems theory, Buddhism, Gaya theory, and the deep ecology movement.

But her teachings are not just theoretical, they are also deeply personal.

People in workshops and through books and the website are invited to experience the lessons in their own bodies,

embodied wisdom. It is an experiential learning process and one that is

inclusive of all that arises throughout. Joanna, is there anything else that you'd like

to add by way of introduction? Yes, thank you. When

speaking about the work that we do, the experiential interactive work, you're

right, it's to feel it in our lives, but also to find ourselves listening to the most important voice, the one we most need to hear and that is the inner voice in us where the currents of life

flow through and

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