Hello and we are listening to an upstream interview which is part of the Economics for Transition project.

My name is Dela Duncan.

And my name is Jacob.

And we are here in conversation at Schumacher College with Robin Murray.

Welcome Robin.

Hello.

Robin, let's just start with, can you give our listeners a little bit of an introduction to yourself how would you introduce yourself

Well, I'm I was born in the war, second world war.

There's a bit of an introduction.

So it meant that I grew up in the 40s and 50s,

which does shape people and how they are. You can hardly think about it, but you know with

no bars and no toilets and so on. Which I don't say, my memory of it is not at all poverty.

Funly enough, I didn't like the cold, it was terribly cold.

I still regard carpets as a complete luxury. But it's not that it is the quality of the

feeling as you grow up that matters. And I don't know how much this has colored me. And then I, as it were, came to age in the

60s and that is a change. suddenly there was a burst out of creativity and for me it was

the 70s that were the great age of experimentation and this that and the other.

So I was teaching at the Institute of Development Studies in Brighton, which was the main center for development

studies. But it was very open, very loose and we were very much involved in

community activities starting off around a nursery school.

It took seven years to win, but involved also we produced a paper called Queen Spark which was a

community paper so door to door and we fought all sorts of things and

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