Hello and welcome to the Bullock Sunday show I am your host Tim Miller. I'm here today with my old friend Robbie Kaplan who absolutely you're going to love should be the most famous lawyer in

America. She is a partner and founder of Kaplan, Hecker, and Fink.

She wrote the book, Then Comes Marriage,

How Two Women Fought For and One Equal Dignity for All.

I just want to tell you one reason why I really resonate

with Robbie, and I think a lot of you will too.

When the Donald Trump monstrosity happened in 2015 and 2016, as you all know for me and for many

of you, like this was a massive wake-up call and things had to change in our life to respond to the threat and this

monstrous threat that our country was facing. You know many of you got involved locally,

started to engage in politics more, you know, figure out ways that you could be helpful, and I'm just always inspired when I hear those stories.

The thing is at the elite level, that didn't seem to happen that much much it didn't seem to happen as much as I

had thought it would a lot of people went back to kind of life as usual and tried to work around

and within Donald Trump particularly in the side, but you know really in the elite corridors of America across the board.

That was not the case for Robbie Kaplan. She was one of the top lawyers in the country at a corporate law firm and decided

that she needed to use those skills to figure out how she could use her background to challenge Donald Trump in the legal arena and

started this new firm a public interest law firm that came up with all these

creative ways some of which are being copied now by Jack Smith and others for going after Donald Trump's corporate work

pre his political career as well as she represented E. Jean Carroll in the sexual assault case that just came to a positive fruition

recently and so I just think her story is really inspiring as a result she's

deposed Donald Trump two times I think that's a unique status to be the person who has now

stared him down twice and she gives some pretty hilarious stories, some for the first time on

this podcast from those depositions.

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