Hey there, it's J. V.L. On the secret show today, Sarah Longwell was out and I was joined by our old friend, Amanda Carpenter.

We talked about the Georgia indictment, talked about Mark Meadows. We talked about the Republican debate

that's coming up and the Ron DeSantis strategy. We talked about a bunch of stuff

that a man has been doing. Here's the show. So a lot has happened since last we spoke publicly. We speak privately all the time.

We have the Georgia indictment and you the thing I most want to hear from you is about Mark Meadows because you have been on the Mark Meadows train for like two years writing piece after piece for us about like hey this guy is wicked exposed and when you pull up the indictment of which he is one of the named and

indicted co-conspirators he is all over you know act six on or about the 21st day of November 2020, Mark Randall Meadows sent a text message to US Rep Scott Perry from Pennsylvania and said,

Can you send me the number for the speaker and the leader of the

PA legislature? Podes wants to chat with him. This was an overt act in

furtherance of the conspiracy. No shit. Right, this is...

He was like his unofficial, he was really, you know, he was White House Chief of Staff, but I think we should refer to him as conspiracy coordinator.

Yeah, so this is one of the, I forget which one of the ones, one of the White House lawyers,

the day after the insurrection, maybe it was Hirschman, said something to, I think it was John Eastman, but basically was the equivalent of, you know, you better go get a

fucking lawyer because you people are all going to jail.

Yeah, the best advice you'll ever get.

Get a FingD lawyer.

And this is, you know, yes, this is what all these people were doing.

They were, it was obvious at the time and they thought that they could just say stuff that this was all, you know,

nobody could touch them and it's just free speech man you just say whatever you want

there be no consequences for anything. What's kind of funny so right now Meadows is trying to get his case moved to federal court which you know he's

still gonna even if he was successful in that he's still gonna be tried under

federal procedures it doesn't make any of this really go away but his his defense

sort of seems to be I was just doing my job. I was just sort of

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