Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have two very special guests, Roberta Glast, who's been on my show many, many times, and also Phil Fairbanks, who I interviewed about his book, the politics. Was it the politics of pedophilia, Philip? What were the way of the title?

Right. Padogate primer, politics of pedophilia. And we, I was talking with Philip, and I came across this witch-hunt narrative,

and what really wanted to do a show about this book published by Ross E. Chait, C-H-E-I-T, originally published in 2014,

and was reading through it, and really the full title of the book is the witch hunt narrative,

politics, psychology, and the sexual abuse of children. So it might be a very heavy topic.

So I would recommend not having this running in where there are young children in the background.

Right. People are sensitive. So it gets pretty brutal in his book when he goes into McMartin.

But I think it's really an important actually might be one of the earlier times I've heard the term narrative in the kind of information war or in the propaganda wars or something.

So it's really kind of an interesting usage by Ross Chidu teaches at Brown. Is that right? Yes. It was impressive. Thank you. And so

anyway, they're going to help me out. You guys go ahead and, you know, maybe you could

each go and turn about what interested you in this book and kind of do a general overview of what you took out of it.

You want to start, Roberta, or do you want to start Phil?

I think Phil would be a better place.

Oh, well, sure, sure. That's fine.

Well, you know, I started the book as I was finishing Pato Gate Primer.

And that was in like, you know, October or November of 2020, right?

So just as I'm putting the finishing touches on my book, I start reading this because I'd read some of his blog stuff at brown.edu, you know.

And by the way, like, that's a big deal.

You know, this is a literal Ivy League

professor this is not just some guy with a blog the website at the recovered

memory project is at brown.edu but I started it then and I finished it what

like last month why because in addition to being one of the most important books I have ever read in my life, it is also one of the most harrowing, grueling, and difficult books I've ever read in my life. It's medically graphic in a lot of areas. And unfortunately, that's necessary because, you know, there's so much misinformation and disinformation.

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