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Greetings, dear listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant Podcast, brought you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media. It's first timer week. We had Emily Oster on yesterday,

and now we have, so I should give a little backdrop. People know that I'm now at CNN after 12

years at Fox, and there are pluses and minuses with being at CNN.

There were definitely pluses and minuses at being at Fox.

One of the, I often say this is a joke, but I say it with love.

I say one of the best things about being at CNN is you get to interact with a much higher quality democratic hack.

Now, I'm not saying my guest today is a democratic hack, but the point still stands.

And I don't say hack in a bad way necessarily.

I just mean that at Fox, the people on the left of center who were like Fox contributors, they were essentially

like the Washington generals, the team that plays the Harlem Globetrotters to entertainingly lose,

right? They're sort of kept creatures handcuffed to a radiator, given a bowl of water or whatever.

And the guys at CNN tend to be, people are actually still have influence on the

center left or more expertise, that kind of thing. And so it's been good to get to know a whole

bunch, a new cast of Washington characters. And one of the people that I end up kibbetsing and talking to the most is Elliot Williams,

who's a legal analyst at CNN.

He was also a deputy assistant attorney general back in the Obama years.

He and adorably, I should say, there's a thing that happens when people have their first kid that they think everybody is fascinated with their first kid the way they are.

And there's a very similar thing when people write their first book.

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